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Patric Gagné doesn't need her kids to love her back. She's okay with that. Are we?

Patric Gagné cuts her kids' peanut butter sandwiches into stars and whales. She makes Christmas magical even though she hates it. She shows up for bedtime stories, tantrums, and bullies. But here's the kicker—she does it without the emotional fuel most of us run on. She's a diagnosed sociopath. And she's one of the most fascinating, disarming, and deeply human mothers I've ever interviewed.

This isn't a hot take on TikTok psychopathy or a glorified redemption arc. This is someone telling the truth about what it's like to parent without the typical emotional wiring—and still doing the damn thing. I first reached out to Patric because her memoir Sociopath hit me in the gut. Not because I saw a monster. But because I saw a parent navigating the same chaos I was—just using a different map. What followed was one of the most honest, unfiltered conversations I've ever had with anyone.

\"I told my kids they don't have to love me.\" That line stopped me cold. I asked her if she meant it literally—like, had she actually said those words to her children? \"Yes,\" she said without hesitation. \"We've had long conversations about love, and I've told them it should always be additive. You should never feel obligated to love anyone. Even me.\"

It's not rejection. It's radical self-honesty. And it challenges every sappy Mother's Day card, every feel-good sitcom, and every sugarcoated idea we've been sold about what love between parent and child is supposed to look like. But that's the point. Gagné's entire existence challenges the mythology of motherhood—and not in a self-congratulatory way. She's not trying to shock. She's trying to survive. And raise decent humans in the process.

The Baby Stage: \"I wanted to leave.\"

We talked about those early months of parenting—the dark, sleepless tunnel so many of us have barely crawled out of. I told her I was crying daily, unsure if I'd make it out in one piece. She didn't flinch. \"I wanted to kill myself,\" she admitted. \"Not because of them—but because I thought something was wrong with me for not bonding.\"

She had hoped, deep down, that motherhood would unlock something in her. Some primal instinct. Some feral maternal love. But it didn't. And that realization broke her heart in a way she couldn't quite describe. She wasn't angry at her children. She was angry at herself for believing she could be like everyone else. \"I was a fool to have thought I could have bonded that way,\" she said. \"I should have been more realistic with myself and said, 'Hey, it's not going to be what it's like for everybody else, just like nothing in your life has been. It's going to be different. But you'll get there.'\"

The difference between her experience and mine? She had a partner she could tap out to. \"Unlike you, I had the benefit of a partner that I could say, 'Here you go. I got to tap out.'\"

Parenting Without the Script

We don't talk enough about what happens when your kids trigger parts of you that have never fully healed. Or never existed. Patric doesn't fake maternal warmth to keep up appearances with other parents. She fakes it when her kids need it from her. \"Not so much anymore—they're older,\" she said. \"But when they were younger and needed comfort I couldn't access authentically, I gave them what they needed anyway.\"

When I asked what it feels like to watch her kids sleep, she answered without hesitation: \"Relief.\" Not joy. Not aching love. Relief. Because they're okay. Because she can finally rest. That answer gutted me. Not because it was cold—but because it was honest. And how many of us have felt that exact thing, but felt too guilty to say it out loud?

But then she surprises you. When her older child witnessed a classmate being bullied for their sexual orientation and stood up for them, Patric had one of her proudest moments. \"I told him, 'You have no idea how much that means to that kid. It really means the world to a kid who feels all alone to have another kid say, stop doing that. That's not kind. And you're being a dick.' I was really proud of him that he did that.\"

Pride without ego. Protection without possession. It's parenting stripped of performance.

\"I can't care about this.\"

One of my favorite moments came when I asked her how she handles the petty day-to-day dramas that set most parents off. \"I just say, 'I can't care about this,'\" she said, laughing. \"It started as a joke with my friends, and now my kids even say it. Like, 'Mommy, you can't care about this.' And I'm like, 'I really can't. I love you. I do not have the bandwidth for a Fortnight play-by-play. I'm a huge gamer and I actually love Fortnite, but I'm also not interested in a 30 minute rundown.\"

It sounds harsh. But how many of us pretend to care about every scraped knee, every Pokémon card betrayal, every tantrum about the wrong color cup? Patric doesn't pretend. She just shows up with what she's got.

For nightmares, she takes what she calls \"the easy way out.\" Instead of processing the dream at 3 AM, she'll say, \"That's so scary! Let's talk about it more in the morning,\" or \"The best thing for a nightmare is to replace it with a fresh dream,\" and bring them into bed with her. \"The middle of the night is no time to process a nightmare,\" she said. \"If they still want to talk about it in the morning I'll tell them they have 90 seconds to identify every emotion they felt in the dream. The emotions hold the information and, let's be honest, no one is trying to hear 90 minutes of unconscious recall.\"

Boundaries without guilt. Efficiency without cruelty. It's revolutionary, actually.

$\"A$

The Santa Claus Rebellion

If you want to understand how Patric's mind works, ask her about Santa Claus. From the time her children were conscious enough to have the conversation, she's been methodically dismantling the myth. \"I think Santa Claus is crazy. This whole thing about Santa Claus is insane to me,\" she told them. When they protested that Santa was real, she'd respond with pure logic: \"What's the truth? That a man who wears the same clothes 365 days a year comes down a chimney and leaves presents for you because you're good? So he's breaking and entering?\"

Her children would push back, insisting Santa arrives by sleigh. \"I'm sorry, he comes on what? A sleigh?\" She'd continue: \"Don't talk to strangers unless it's a man in a red suit promising gifts, in which case get into his lap and whisper your secrets? We're teaching kids about stranger danger, but over here it's okay?\"

But here's the thing—she still makes Christmas magical. \"I really work hard to make Christmas magical for them, because it's not their fault that I have a really hard time at Christmas. It's so hard every year. But I definitely do it for them.\"

Her solution was brilliant: let her children convince her while maintaining her stance. \"They would come to me with the stories, and I would say, 'That's bonkers,' and then it's on them to convince me. All along I would say, 'This is insane,' but I will tell you there is something about Christmas that is magical. I don't know what it is, but I know it's not some random guy.\"

\"I never wanted to tell them I believed in something I didn't believe in,\" she explains. \"I'd rather my kids know they can always count on me to deal with them honestly, even if it's not as magical as they would like it to be.\"

Radical honesty wrapped in love. It shouldn't work. But it does.

When Marriage Meets Logic

Living with someone who processes emotions so differently presents unique challenges. When her Italian husband gets angry and starts raising his voice, Patric's response is clinically precise. \"I say, 'You're increasing the volume of your voice, not the clarity of your communication.'\" she tells me. \"I don't respond to yelling. I don't allow anyone to speak to me this way, and I wouldn't allow anyone to speak to you this way, so you need to take a walk because all I see is someone who is so wrapped up in an emotion tornado I can't reach the person on the inside.\"

It should sound cold. Instead, it sounds like the sanest relationship advice I've ever heard. Her husband, she says, thrived in the baby stage. But Patric prefers the teenage years. \"People like us tend to have a much easier time with the teenage years,\" she explains. \"So many people who thrived in the baby stage are ready to pull their hair out in the teenage years. I feel that I'm more equipped to be a teen parent because I can have those conversations—about sex, about violence in schools. I'm very direct. I don't shy away from anything.\"

When it comes to discipline, Patric strips away the emotional drama that usually accompanies consequences. \"Actions have consequences. Period,\" she says. \"It's like being an adult—if you want to test the boundaries and get caught, you're not going to be able to have access to the things you want. It's not 'How can you do this to me?' It's more just meeting them where they are.\"

She often lets her children choose their own consequences. \"You did something, so what is the consequence? You tell me, because I can choose, but I think it's more effective if you choose your own consequence. They're usually pretty spot on.\" With her older child, she'll reframe situations by asking what advice he'd give his younger sibling in the same situation. \"Is this what I should tell your younger sibling? Is this how you would handle this?\" The answer, she says, is always the same: \"No.\"

It's accountability without shame. Consequences without manipulation. And it's working.

$\"Stolen$

The Boxes of Memory

In her memoir, Patric writes about a box of stolen childhood trinkets—glasses, small objects that gave her some sense of feeling when everything else felt like nothing. I asked if she still keeps that box. \"I do, but it's gotten bigger. So now I have many boxes full of things, and they're not necessarily things that have been stolen so much as they're things that I have from places that I've been where I shouldn't have been.\"

The impulse has evolved but never disappeared. When she travels alone, she notices the old urges. \"She's still there, you know. She's like, 'Hey, you wanna go? Do you want to get into it?' It's like, no, I do not want to get into it. It's a conversation that's more playful now.\"

At a recent party, she watched a woman being \"such an asshole to the people working the event\" and felt the familiar pull toward chaos. \"I remember thinking, I'm just gonna grab her purse and throw it in the garbage. She's gonna lose her mind. She's gonna think somebody stole it. All of her stuff's gonna be gone.\" Her husband intervened quickly. \"He definitely interceded very quickly, like 'You're not doing that.' And I was like, 'Well, we aren't doing anything. Just go get the car, Buddy. You don't have to be a part of this.'\"

Instead, she kicked the woman's purse under a table three tables over. \"She did lose her mind and started accusing the staff of stealing it, which just basically outed her for being an even bigger piece of shit than she was.\"

It's vigilante justice without violence. Chaos with a moral compass. And I'm not going to lie—I kind of love it.

Love, Redefined

Patric's definition of love doesn't come with fireworks. It's not desperate or possessive. It's mutualism. \"Organic. Additive. Mutual homeostasis,\" she said. \"Not transactional. Not ego-driven. Just two people benefiting from each other's presence.\"

When her children accomplish something—good grades, first steps, small victories—she celebrates differently than most parents. \"I'm happy for them. I'm proud of them. But pride is something that's egocentric, isn't it? So many people who have a lot of pride also take it as a reflection of them, like 'Look at what a good parent I am because my kid got an A.' I'm proud for them, proud of them, but it has nothing to do with me.\"

She adds, \"You can be diagnosed with secondary psychopathy and still love. You can love differently—and still make it count.\"

Honestly? It sounds like a better kind of love than most people ever get.

Of course, the part of her story that makes people recoil—the pencil-stabbing, the animal cruelty—can't be sanitized away. When I asked what those moments felt like, she said, \"Relief. It was like I could finally stop masking. It was my way of saying, 'This is who I am.'\" She doesn't excuse the behavior. She doesn't romanticize it. She just doesn't connect to it emotionally the way neurotypical people do. And that's what terrifies people.

But that's also why this story matters. Because when we treat sociopathy like a horror movie diagnosis—something you either are or aren't, something inherently evil—we lose the nuance. We lose the opportunity for understanding. For intervention. For treatment.

She's Not Asking for Forgiveness

Patric doesn't want you to like her. She's not asking for redemption. She's not looking to be fixed. She's just telling the truth. \"I don't need an excuse to be an asshole,\" she told me. \"If I'm in a dark place and I act out, I act out. There should be consequences. But I don't feel guilt about it.\"

Her diagnosis doesn't excuse harm. But it does explain how she moves through the world. And she's spent years unlearning harmful behaviors—not because she \"feels bad,\" but because she understands what's right. There's something both terrifying and refreshing about someone who takes responsibility without the emotional theater that usually accompanies it.

The Privilege to Heal

She's the first to acknowledge that if she weren't white, articulate, and conventionally attractive, this story might have ended very differently. \"There are thousands of kids with the same traits I had—oppositional defiant disorder, conduct disorder—but they don't get access to treatment. They get kicked out of school. Thrown into the system. Labeled as bad kids. But these are treatable conditions. We just don't fund the solutions.\"

She cites staggering statistics: \"Conduct disorder affects roughly 10% of girls and 16% of boys. Its symptoms, such as stealing and deliberate acts of violence, are among the most common reasons for treatment. And yet there's no testing for them or markers for them like there are for autism.\"

This isn't abstract for her. This is the knowledge that hundreds of thousands of children are cycling through systems designed to punish rather than heal. Children who could be helped. Children who could become functional adults, partners, parents. Children who could become her.

$\"Race$

The Origin Mystery

Perhaps the most significant revelation comes when Patric drops a bombshell about her condition's origins: \"I was not born this way.\" She's discovered something about the environmental factors that shaped her—specifically, \"having been exposed to psychopathic practices at a very young age.\" Her response to this discovery? \"Relief, fury, and clinical curiosity.\"

But she's not ready to elaborate. \"I need to do more research,\" she says. If her research proves what she suspects, it could revolutionize how we understand and treat sociopathy. It could shift the conversation from \"monster or not monster\" to \"how do we prevent this from happening to other children?\" For now, she's keeping that discovery close to her chest. But the implications are staggering.

So What Do Her Kids Think?

\"They've never asked why I'm different,\" she said. \"Because I've always been honest. I've told them, 'Mommy doesn't experience emotions like that. So sometimes I won't understand what you're feeling. But that's okay. You can talk to Daddy.'\"

When her children heard some of the backlash against her book, their response was pure confusion. \"They're like, 'I don't understand. Why are people angry? Why are they saying things like that?' They can't wrap their head around it.\"

Her children aren't confused about their mother. The rest of us are confused about what motherhood is supposed to look like.

The Uncomfortable Truth

This is not a \"look how far she's come\" piece. This is a \"look how she lives anyway\" piece. Patric Gagné isn't trying to be your role model. She's not trying to win you over. But she is asking you to consider that parenting doesn't always have to be soaked in guilt, martyrdom, and emotional exhaustion. Maybe it can also be about logic. Consistency. Showing up. Giving your kids the truth, even when it's not pretty.

We love to say that \"there's no one way to be a good parent.\" But we rarely mean it. We say it, then judge every choice that doesn't look like our own. Patric Gagné is here to remind us that the love we think is universal—that overwhelming, consuming, sometimes destructive devotion—might not be the only way to raise whole human beings.

You can love differently and still make it count. And maybe that's what makes her the most honest mother of all.

If you or someone you know is struggling with thoughts of self-harm, please reach out to a mental health professional or crisis helpline. If you suspect a child may be showing signs of conduct disorder or other behavioral concerns, early intervention can make a significant difference.

\"I am a criminal without a record. I am a master of disguise. I have never been caught. I have rarely been sorry. I am friendly. I am responsible. I am invisible. I blend right in. I am a twenty‑first‑century sociopath.\"

$\"Gold$

Patric Gagne’s Sociopath is one of those books that leaves you sitting in silence long after the last page—equal parts disturbed, cracked open, and weirdly comforted. She doesn’t sugar-coat a thing. From childhood violence to emotional emptiness, Gagne holds nothing back, and somehow in that void, you feel everything. It’s not a plea for pity. It’s a dissection of what it means to perform humanity when you don’t feel it—and the loneliness that comes with that mask. And while the motherhood stuff is only touched on in the epilogue, what lands is the deep, unspoken ache for connection. This book made me question what we call empathy, what we judge as broken, and who gets to heal. It’s haunting in the best way. Get your copy here.

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